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Post by rob on Apr 9, 2005 14:13:41 GMT 1
Indeed he wasnt as much of an outrlet as we would have liked but he certanly brought more to the game than we had at the time.
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Post by RBA not logged in on Apr 9, 2005 14:33:03 GMT 1
there were loads singing abuse in the "shed".the same people who have a go at fellow supporters who don,t sing. we seem to be getting a lot of unpleasant people at away games at the moment. Sheron saved a goal and scored one,he also came nearest to getting a winner,thats more than most of the team did between them. Good post some of last nights chanting was just unpleasent >:(Yes a response to a poor performance but an over the top response Didnt hear any chanting about Streety Pauline but did hear the Sheron off chanting. Just as well GP ignored it Its also true that a lot of the away supprot last night was fantastic never stopped singing support even after going a goal down Just a few went over the top
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 9, 2005 15:05:28 GMT 1
Unnecesarily flippant comment Whitters. not at all flipant, a game last 90-minutes and there's alot that can happen in those 90-minutes that can affect the out come of the game. why was it flippant? and you can answer that as well mr clappy skipworth.
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Post by SP on Apr 9, 2005 15:19:42 GMT 1
Y do ya think sammy doesn't get much ov an influence on a game? Coz he neva sees much ov the ball
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Post by TonyKellysBelly on Apr 9, 2005 15:44:35 GMT 1
Interesting stuff!!
I thought in general we were very poor again. The big difference I see is that teams come to the meadow and look comfortable when in possession, yet last night for probably 95% of the game we looked uncomfortable when we got the ball. That was mainly due to Cheltenham closing us down, harrassing us, not giving us time to control the ball, look up and pick out a town player.
Cheltenham defended from the front, their strikers put all of our back four under pressure ALL of the time.
We tried to pass our way out, Challis in particular could not get the ball forward far enough to make their defenders turn consiquently they are always facing the long ball and have time to get in position and play the ball comfotably to one of their midfielders.
I thought Jamie Tolley was a very lucky fella last night to even be on the pitch at half time. I thought the challenge in the first half deserved a straight red card. His game in general was poor, he gets caught in possession, cannot tackle and his shooting last night was what you would expect to see on a sunday morning. In one incident he had a free-kick, a rebound and then another shot at the end of the same move which in all instances he failed to connect with the ball correctly, let alone trouble their keeper.
I sat in the seats last night, and yes you could hear some isolated chants towards Sheron. Again he does not seem to put himself about enough, apart from the goal and his goal line clearance he made no other telling contribution to the team.
In summary I thought we were second best to a team with nothing to play for, were always chasing the ball, lacked any penetration up front and need to improve tactically.
Why is it the only player who looks like he is giving 110% to play for the shirt, is Neil Ashton.....and he's only on loan!
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Post by rob on Apr 9, 2005 16:24:23 GMT 1
First off its Mr SkipWITH
Secondly I wasn't clapping
Fair enough we went into half time on pretty equal terms. However it was still apparant that we had no width, had no pace, the midfield were having problems retaining the ball let alone getting forward and supporting the forwards.
This was only exasberated in the second half, Cheltenham had corner after corner, our defending got more and more last ditch, the our midfield were so narrow that Cheltenhams wide men were given all the space in the world out wide.
To be honest for the vast majority of the second half, we hoofed the ball down the middle, barely getting past the half way line before we lost it again.
Yes football is a game that lasts 90 minutes, but you can't honestly argue that you were happy with the way the team was lined up, attacking, playing and defending either before we went 1-0 down or afterwards???
To my mind Sam did change the game a little, yes his 2 first touches werent the best (gave it away twice in dangerous positions) However he offered us some width and pace, which if for no other reason offered us an alternative to just hoofing it blindly upfield.
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Post by comicstoreguy on Apr 9, 2005 16:33:04 GMT 1
they were rubbish yes but is it true that some supporters started having a go at some players? They should have been supporting them anyway!
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 9, 2005 16:44:09 GMT 1
First off its Mr SkipWITH Secondly I wasn't clapping so why were you quoting jamos post with additional thumbs and cheers icons? i was happy with the result as i'd have taken a point before the game, i'm a very simple person and work at a simple level so looking at the game on the whole we were lucky to get the point. gp commented before and after how cheltenham are a similar club to us but have a years development on us. they ran well, worked very hard but looked a little suspect when we hit them on the break. if we'd had that little bit more luck or quality upfront on the night then the result may have been a lot different at half-time. i've always said there are a lot of town fans who only go to moan, they pay their money so their enjoyment is based on who they can slag off, whether it's our team, the opposition, the opposition fans or our fans. as some old bloke with a moustache said 'footballs a funny old game.'
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Post by rob on Apr 9, 2005 16:54:55 GMT 1
This is a clapping thingy this is a toasting one I'd have taken a point beforehand, but to be honest i dont think we actually deserved the point we got last night we were very lucky, and for Gp to argue otherwise is slighty baffling I agree that it is most annoying that people only go to moan
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 9, 2005 17:13:07 GMT 1
This is a clapping thingy this is a toasting one both are used to agree with jamo having a go at me, i was just wondering why you were agreeing with the gaffer?
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Post by Blue_is_the_colour on Apr 9, 2005 20:59:25 GMT 1
So called supporters? I am a full town supporter, and have been most of my life ... and i admit i was getting on sherons back ... purely becuase he was playing crap ... that and did not derserve to have shirt on his back ... it doesnt make me any less of a supporter at all
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Post by jamo on Apr 9, 2005 21:01:01 GMT 1
gp commented before and after how cheltenham are a similar club to us but have a years development on us. they ran well, worked very hard but looked a little suspect when we hit them on the break. if we'd had that little bit more luck or quality upfront on the night then the result may have been a lot different at half-time. i've always said there are a lot of town fans who only go to moan, they pay their money so their enjoyment is based on who they can slag off, whether it's our team, the opposition, the opposition fans or our fans. First of all i was'nt "having a go at you " Whitters i was just commenting on the fact that your post was not conducive with the facts and appeared a rather cheap shot at people who genuinely belived in what they had posted. Secondly, which break are you on about when you say Cheltenham looked vunerable ? I think i paid reasonable attention throughout the match and can't remember us catching the home defence out once on the break. Our attacks were laboured and rather predictable. Thirdly, i take your point about some Town fans being perennial moaners but anyone who puts in the effort to attend any away match in a season can reasonably expect rather more committment and professionalism than we witnessed on friday night and i include the management team in that . We were s**t.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2005 23:12:11 GMT 1
Jamo, cheer up you miserable old fart.
At 7.32pm you were spotted moaning at the gate staff. At 7.41pm you were noted moaning at the quality of coffee. It was only natural you'fd then complain about the football.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 9, 2005 23:18:28 GMT 1
i've always said there are a lot of town fans who only go to moan, they pay their money so their enjoyment is based on who they can slag off, whether it's our team, the opposition, the opposition fans or our fans. would the club rather we didn;t care? basically if we play well or get a good result or both people are happy if we play badly, or get a poor result, then people are sad It would be far far worse if people didn;t care, didn;t show any emotion, because over 700 people on a friday night is a pretty good effort If STFC would prefer fans to get Sky+ and sit at home watching brilliant football every night then fair enough. But if they want people to show up and watch the team then they can take the rough with the smooth like anyone else in any other line of work The fact is the fans care, and that is why they are there week after week after week
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Post by hooverfoxat2 on Apr 10, 2005 10:52:15 GMT 1
Read Gary Peters post match comments about Mike Sheron - he is a very subtle kind of player that does alot of things that go unnoticed by many, OK he didn't set the world on fire but he wasn't half as bad as a good few on the pitch. Support - yes, Be entitled to an opinion - yes, Criticise - yes, But start singing such rubbish as Sheron Off and shout the kind off stuff aimed at Kevin Street - NO way, is it any wonder GP has a fair bit to say about the support at times. Vocal support should be positive, especially when the league position is taken into consideration, confidence should be nursed and boosted, NOT questioned and deflated. Remember not only does it affect our team but it also has an affect on the opposition - if they hear such discontent amongst the fans they will obviously lift their game and to some extent I think Cheltenham did just that. The away support in general is absolutely superb and cannot be questioned for it's loyalty, I just thought some of the abuse aimed at our own players on Friday night was uncalled for (albeit coming from a minority) and to be quite honest was embarassing.
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Post by rob on Apr 10, 2005 11:00:40 GMT 1
I've only ever barracked partaken in the abuse of one player and that was Tony Lormer when we played at Rochdale (before he became a cult figure). the way I see it is, that the people who turn up (772 no less) will cheer and support the players and football team, if they are playing half decent football. However on a Friday evening, after a day of work and travel, standing in the cold, I can understand why after 60 minutes of pure crap with no sign of any change, certain fans feel the need to let their feelings known. Gary peters should be more concearned with reaching his 50 points mark. The attendances, both home and away are indicative of the support in general that the club is recieving despite poor football and not very good results. Didnt see the need to abuse Kevin Street mind
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2005 11:07:20 GMT 1
Rob, GP only gave positive comments about the support on Friday night.
Also, with regards to this debate, can anyone deny the atmosphere has been better down the Meadow this year? It's the old chicken and egg argument I know but out of our last 10 home games, we've won 6, drawn 2 and lost 2.
That's cracking form and if I was a Sc***horpe United fan, I wouldn't fancy coming here needing anything on May 7.
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 10, 2005 11:09:39 GMT 1
would the club rather we didn;t care? just because i work for the club doesn't mean what i post is any view of the club. it's my personal view and that is a lot of people would moan even if we'd won the premiership, champions league and got to the final of the fa cup.
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 10, 2005 11:15:17 GMT 1
Secondly, which break are you on about when you say Cheltenham looked vunerable ? I think i paid reasonable attention throughout the match and can't remember us catching the home defence out once on the break. Our attacks were laboured and rather predictable. Thirdly, i take your point about some Town fans being perennial moaners but anyone who puts in the effort to attend any away match in a season can reasonably expect rather more committment and professionalism than we witnessed on friday night and i include the management team in that . We were sh!t. maybe i was in a better position but my view of the first half was they were solid and well organised and we were hitting them on the break well, on a number of occasions we had good possesion around the cheltenham box but just lacked that little bit of quality or luck to get a goal. i've always said that peoples views of the game are affected by the people standing around them, so if everyone around is moaning and waying we're s**te then that will be the view of people around them. whenever i say this i'm called arrogant and told i'm wrong.
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Post by jamo on Apr 10, 2005 11:36:27 GMT 1
. i've always said that peoples views of the game are affected by the people standing around them, so if everyone around is moaning and waying we're sh!te then that will be the view of people around them. whenever i say this i'm called arrogant and told i'm wrong. Well there was certainly a lot of moaning around me as the game wore on but i like to think i am capable of making my own mind up and forming my own opinions. Perhaps i'm not though. I also did not want to give the impression that i considered you to be arrogant in this instance. I did not. I just considered your first post as wide of the mark, but then its different opinions that make us go back next time for more of the same.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2005 12:09:06 GMT 1
This si the first time I've seen this thread.
772 Town fans were at the match on Friday night - unbelieveable support for a team like ours, especially considering how s**te we've been away from home this year.
The Town fans in the 'Shed' produced a lot of singing for the majority of the match. It was clear from the opening 10 mins we were not going to perform as a team tonight and I'm impressed by how long the town fans stuck behind the team.
Positive shouting should help the players, but does it? Only after a few fans started booing certain players did we actaully create a shot on target. I'm not suggesting negative shouting is the right thing to do here at all.
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Post by siabod on Apr 11, 2005 12:57:54 GMT 1
If the performances are so poor under Peters if his team selection is so bad, (see remarks on B & A when Hart was rumoured to start against Oxford etc), if he is to get so much criticism about the Towns style of play when on his arrival most people said it's results that count this season not the way we play, then why is there so much panic when he is connected with Chester?.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2005 13:01:31 GMT 1
I, like many others think Peters is one of the best Town managers we've had in many a year.
Our home performances have improved no end, we've moved to almost safety and we've sgned several promising youngsters for the future.
However it's out away performances that are still dire - this is what people, myself included, are complaining so much about
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Post by PorkyShrew on Apr 11, 2005 13:04:34 GMT 1
the away games are the saturdays where we spend most of our money and we are just witnessing very poor football, gary peters came out in the slop star and sed that home adn away games should be the same and are the same to him, then why doesnt he select the team that way then? dropping sammy every away game baffles me
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Post by siabod on Apr 11, 2005 13:12:55 GMT 1
Dropping Sammy does'nt surprise me, I still maintain he is the most over rated player ever to wear a Town shirt. I know repeating myself from earlier threads but to see a man beat 2 or 3 opposition players (or the same player more than once) with no end result and to become a "hero" is to me just ridiculous. Look at his goal tally, look at the quality of the majority of his crosses, look at his disciplinary record, surely we can do better.
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Post by texmexshrew on Apr 11, 2005 13:15:23 GMT 1
maybe i was in a better position but my view of the first half was they were solid and well organised and we were hitting them on the break well, on a number of occasions we had good possesion around the cheltenham box but just lacked that little bit of quality or luck to get a goal. Luke? Certainly off the game on Friday IMO. Everyone knows our tactic is now to hit Langmead, except for Luke. Failed to support Kelvin, and has clearly lost that explosive pace of 2 seasons ago. I dont see these two forming a fruitful partnership despite Kelvins efforts. One more thing - OFFSIDE... Overall I thought we were very poor Ian. Lack of width, and lack of penetration from midfield throughout the 90mins. Are we becoming a long ball team?
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Post by hooverfoxat2 on Apr 11, 2005 13:15:43 GMT 1
Dropping Sammy does'nt surprise me, I still maintain he is the most over rated player ever to wear a Town shirt. I know repeating myself from earlier threads but to see a man beat 2 or 3 opposition players (or the same player more than once) with no end result and to become a "hero" is to me just ridiculous. Look at his goal tally, look at the quality of the majority of his crosses, look at his disciplinary record, surely we can do better. Just out of interest and without consulting a list of statistics does anyone know how many goals Sammy has scored and more importantly, as an attacking left/right sided midfielder, how many assists for goals scored has he against his name.
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Post by lazyshrew on Apr 11, 2005 13:18:36 GMT 1
I think he has scored 6 goals for the first team at Shrewsbury. Yes it is pretty poor isnt it.
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Post by texmexshrew on Apr 11, 2005 13:21:05 GMT 1
Cant answer that question Hoover, but I would guess that recently he has contributed to setting up more goals than at any other period of his time here. With a midfield as bereft of ideas as that shown on Friday, he would have been a bonus, however we just didnt get the ball to him.
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Apr 11, 2005 13:49:12 GMT 1
Are we becoming a long ball team? Strange you should say that, because I heard a similar comment, and it was something to the effect that G.P. didn't particularly like a certain player's style of play- because he seems to prefer a long-ball game. I mentioned before what I'd heard- but got replies to the effect that G.P. "just like good Football." So - I'm only saying what I heard- argue with the message, not with the messenger!!
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