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Post by pawlo on Apr 5, 2005 10:42:28 GMT 1
Bring it on Perhaps we can have some proper discussion now instead of all this footballing rubbish
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 5, 2005 10:48:21 GMT 1
Wooooohh an election Cant say i have ever been more underwelmed by the choices on option!!! Porbs vote labour just cos i hate the stuck up nature of the conservatives and Howard acts like a prick everytime i see him of TV (which unfortuantly willbe more now!!! ) Also could never vote con for the shambles they have tryed to cause with the medow round here - dont forget that people!!! And im not happy about the fact that Eastenders will be 5 mins late every weeks cos of Party political broadcasts!!!
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Post by petetheloon on Apr 5, 2005 10:48:25 GMT 1
should be interesting.
the tories have had labour on the back foot with their hit and run campaign on key issues, but the sacking of the deputy chairman has just knocked the wheels off the campaign. will be interesting to see if they can gather momentum again.
Labour have angered a lot of people with the war and the banning of fox hunting amoung other things, so how much has that damaged them?
and the Lib Dems are offering some real alternative policies and they look at have gained big time because of their stance on the war, so they may have gained enough support to nake it a 3 horse race.
should be a good un
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 5, 2005 10:49:58 GMT 1
Bring it on Perhaps we can have some proper discussion now instead of all this footballing rubbish Hmmm. This should be fun. I wonder how many changes of opinion, mind, emotions etc, I'm going to have over the next few weeks.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 5, 2005 10:56:14 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see if the media are correct about how high feelings are on certain issues in this country if the turnout will he higher, or if there will be another, they are all as bad as each other vote by staying at home, localy will be interesting after the by election in Sutton, which was a Con stronghold, going to Labour so close to an Election. Otherwise its 4 weeks of paper recyling & dodging Political TV shows for me.
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Post by rob on Apr 5, 2005 11:03:06 GMT 1
yippee
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Post by pawlo on Apr 5, 2005 11:17:41 GMT 1
yippee Go on mate, let that surge of passion and enthusiasm out, you know you want to
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Post by Dicky Knee on Apr 5, 2005 11:33:45 GMT 1
Wooooohh an election Cant say i have ever been more underwelmed by the choices on option!!! Porbs vote labour just cos i hate the stuck up nature of the conservatives and Howard acts like a prick everytime i see him of TV (which unfortuantly willbe more now!!! ) Also could never vote con for the shambles they have tryed to cause with the medow round here - dont forget that people!!! And im not happy about the fact that Eastenders will be 5 mins late every weeks cos of Party political broadcasts!!! Hopefully, whoever wins will improve the standard of education in this country, especially english grammar and spelling.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2005 11:37:56 GMT 1
It doesn't matter which party gets in, they both (Liberal? Pah!) seem to have a large amount of tossers in their ranks. Why can't we have a "none of the above" option on the ballot paper? I think I know which would get the most votes.
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Post by Priceys right on Apr 5, 2005 12:07:57 GMT 1
Daniel KZXKYAMPANSCI or whatever your name is, come on down ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2005 12:18:25 GMT 1
Good, glad the date has been confirmed.
I'll set about getting my hands on maiefestos for both Labour and Conservative - then I can make a decision on who to vote for
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Post by Charlie K on Apr 5, 2005 12:55:24 GMT 1
and the lib dem manifesto surely loyalshrew???
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2005 13:21:08 GMT 1
and the lib dem manifesto surely loyalshrew??? Nope, I'm staying away from Lib Dem. Mr Kennedy seems to have several odd ideas (even stranger that his party doesn't necessarily agree with) such as allowing prisoners to vote - something I strongly disagree with. I also don't agree with raising the tax threshold to 50% for people who earn over £100k a year.
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Post by aleix on Apr 5, 2005 13:39:11 GMT 1
Where's Cynical? If I was allowed to voteit would have to be Labour beacause my grandad would cut my throat if I voted for the "Tory scum". Speaking from a foreign point of view, the privatisation of public transport that the Tories put into action, has destroyed the sector and compared to a "2nd world" country like Spain's public transport, the English one is s**te. Never on time and ridiculously expensive. Tories' fault. End of. If the Tories come ou winners we're (or you're! ) ****ed up!!!!
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Post by Charlie K on Apr 5, 2005 13:57:28 GMT 1
WE OPPOSE: Putting targets first WE PROPOSE: Putting patients first Faster diagnosis so your NHS treatment can start more quickly WE OPPOSE: Tuition fees & top up fees WE PROPOSE: Scrapping student fees Further education affordable to every student WE OPPOSE: Compulsory I.D. Cards WE PROPOSE: Spending the money on 10,000 more police Funded by scrapping compulsory I.D. cards WE OPPOSE: Selling your home to pay for care WE PROPOSE: Free personal care for the elderly No one forced to sell their home to pay for care WE OPPOSE: Ignoring climate change WE PROPOSE: Cleaner transport & cleaner energy Cleaner transport, cleaner energy and a cleaner environment WE OPPOSE: £1.5 billion on the child trust fund WE PROPOSE: £1.5 billion towards reducing class sizes Spend the £1.5 billion Child Trust Fund when it matters most WE OPPOSE: Means-testing pensioners WE PROPOSE: £100 extra per month starting with the over 75s A million pensioners off means-testing WE OPPOSE: Hidden tax increases WE PROPOSE: Only one tax increase - on income above £100,000 per year Only one tax increase on income over £100,000 WE OPPOSE: Unfair council tax WE PROPOSE: Local income tax, saving typical households £450 per year Local Income Tax is both fair and affordable WE OPPOSE: Bush & Blair on Iraq WE PROPOSE: Never again It's time to restore trust in government *VOTE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT*
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Post by Guest on Apr 5, 2005 14:01:30 GMT 1
WE OPPOSE: Putting targets first WE PROPOSE: Putting patients first Faster diagnosis so your NHS treatment can start more quickly WE OPPOSE: Tuition fees & top up fees WE PROPOSE: Scr@pping student fees Further education affordable to every student WE OPPOSE: Compulsory I.D. Cards WE PROPOSE: Spending the money on 10,000 more police Funded by scr@pping compulsory I.D. cards WE OPPOSE: Selling your home to pay for care WE PROPOSE: Free personal care for the elderly No one forced to sell their home to pay for care WE OPPOSE: Ignoring climate change WE PROPOSE: Cleaner transport & cleaner energy Cleaner transport, cleaner energy and a cleaner environment WE OPPOSE: £1.5 billion on the child trust fund WE PROPOSE: £1.5 billion towards reducing class sizes Spend the £1.5 billion Child Trust Fund when it matters most WE OPPOSE: Means-testing pensioners WE PROPOSE: £100 extra per month starting with the over 75s A million pensioners off means-testing WE OPPOSE: Hidden tax increases WE PROPOSE: Only one tax increase - on income above £100,000 per year Only one tax increase on income over £100,000 WE OPPOSE: Unfair council tax WE PROPOSE: Local income tax, saving typical households £450 per year Local Income Tax is both fair and affordable WE OPPOSE: Bush & Blair on Iraq WE PROPOSE: Never again It's time to restore trust in government *VOTE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT* wasted vote in Shrewsbury
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Post by dachs on Apr 5, 2005 14:04:46 GMT 1
Shan't.
Phil, why oppose 50% income tax for those earning over £100k? I think it's a good plan, they will be more than comfortable living on what's left and everybody will benefit from the increased revenue. Some people earn 8-9k per year, and I'd be a lot more comfortable allowing them tax breaks and increasing taxes on high earners. Lee Bowyer's tax bill would go up - how could anyone oppose that?
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Post by Charlie K on Apr 5, 2005 14:26:48 GMT 1
Lib Dem is NOT a wasted vote in shrewsbury.
Up until 1997 Labour was the so-called wasted vote in Shrewsbury, being a poor third to the lib dems and tories.
it's people thinking negative stuff like that that allows people like Tony and his cronies (and the awful Tories before him) to get back in to power.
Think positive, think Lib Dem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2005 14:30:39 GMT 1
Shan't. Phil, why oppose 50% income tax for those earning over £100k? I think it's a good plan, they will be more than comfortable living on what's left and everybody will benefit from the increased revenue. Some people earn 8-9k per year, and I'd be a lot more comfortable allowing them tax breaks and increasing taxes on high earners. Lee Bowyer's tax bill would go up - how could anyone oppose that? Good point about Bowyer However, I have a firm belief that the majority of people who earn over £100k a year work incredibly hard to earn that money. They also already pay a higher rate of tax already. Also a fair proportion of those people will be able to afford private health care, their own car (so not using public transport) and some of them will opt for private education for their children. By doing this those people are taking pressure off the public services in this country.
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Post by Guest on Apr 5, 2005 14:42:48 GMT 1
Lib Dem is NOT a wasted vote in shrewsbury. Up until 1997 Labour was the so-called wasted vote in Shrewsbury, being a poor third to the lib dems and tories. it's people thinking negative stuff like that that allows people like Tony and his cronies (and the awful Tories before him) to get back in to power. Think positive, think Lib Dem. Charlie your last post was staright from Lib Dem propganda Why not vote Repect or isnt there one in Shrewsbury a respectable protest vote and yes like LIB DEM A WASTED VOTE
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Post by Charlie K on Apr 5, 2005 14:49:48 GMT 1
Guest: Of course I am reproducing the Liberal Democrat policies / message (or as you like to refer to it, 'propaganda'...) - i am the leader of the party! you would hardly expect me to be promoting Tory/Labour policies/propaganda.
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Post by Carter on Apr 5, 2005 16:02:41 GMT 1
Come back Lord Sutch....
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Post by True_Shrew on Apr 5, 2005 16:19:58 GMT 1
When will we know the runners and riders for the wards?
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Post by Robert Kilroy Silk on Apr 5, 2005 17:32:31 GMT 1
GROW UP OR YOUR ISP WILL BE INFORMED
LAST CHANCE
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Post by Charlie K on Apr 7, 2005 12:48:49 GMT 1
wha...?
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 7, 2005 19:20:18 GMT 1
However, I have a firm belief that the majority of people who earn over £100k a year work incredibly hard to earn that money. They also already pay a higher rate of tax already. Also a fair proportion of those people will be able to afford private health care, their own car (so not using public transport) and some of them will opt for private education for their children. By doing this those people are taking pressure off the public services in this country. The top rate of income tax (40%) starts at around £26k which is ridiculously low, a 50% band is long overdue and the lower thresholds should be increased - this is part of the 'stealth tax' that has rightly been criticised. As for high earners buying education, healthcare etc, this is part of what's wrong with the system. A major disappointment for me is that successive Labour governments have failed to abolish private educaton and health schemes. If everyone had to use the public sector how much better it would be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2005 19:44:59 GMT 1
The top rate of income tax (40%) starts at around £26k which is ridiculously low, a 50% band is long overdue and the lower thresholds should be increased - this is part of the 'stealth tax' that has rightly been criticised. As for high earners buying education, healthcare etc, this is part of what's wrong with the system. A major disappointment for me is that successive Labour governments have failed to abolish private educaton and health schemes. If everyone had to use the public sector how much better it would be. Yes, it is absolutely ridiculous that someone earning £30K pays so much more % tax than someone earning £25K, and yet from there on upwards the tax rate stays the same. I'm not a Socialist, I'll probably never vote Labour, but high earners should pay at least 50% tax.
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Post by Guest on Apr 7, 2005 19:47:38 GMT 1
The top rate of income tax (40%) starts at around £26k You have to earn £37145 before you pay 40% tax. £4745 personal allowance + £32400 of earnings. The upper limit is too low though and the top of the 10% band is too low, both should be increased, the latter would do much to encourage people off benefits and into work.
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Post by Guest on Apr 7, 2005 19:56:19 GMT 1
You have to earn £37145 before you pay 40% tax. £4745 personal allowance + £32400 of earnings. The upper limit is too low though and the top of the 10% band is too low, both should be increased, the latter would do much to encourage people off benefits and into work. Actually, that should have read £37295 as the personal allowance for 2005/6 is now £4895.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2005 20:17:09 GMT 1
As for high earners buying education, healthcare etc, this is part of what's wrong with the system. A major disappointment for me is that successive Labour governments have failed to abolish private educaton and health schemes. If everyone had to use the public sector how much better it would be. If I ever had kids I'd never send them to private school. However, private education and health care takes pressure off the public sectors. Surely if all those people paying for private health and private schooling stopped that and joined the public sector, there would be an additional number of people to serve and yet the same amount of money to fund it. Surely abolishing private healthcare/school would infact cripple the public sector?
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