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Post by MetaShrew on Mar 18, 2024 20:34:14 GMT 1
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blueboy48
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Post by blueboy48 on Mar 18, 2024 23:45:21 GMT 1
That's a very interesting read and suggests to me that the commercial side of the club is in very good hands. Dooley appears to be focused, innovative and a good communicator with lots of ideas to improve our club.
Dooley looks a very good appointment and it also demonstrates the wisdom of separating the commercial side of the club from the footballing side. Having a designated Director of Football leaves the Chief Operating Officer free to dedicate all his time and energy to his main task. It also leaves the Head Coach to concentrate on the first team squad and all that it entails.
Football, like all other businesses, has become enormously competitive both on and off the field. Whatever happened last season should not have done so and showed a failure of individuals and a system to prevent it happening. A very expensive mistake but I believe the new set up is the right way to go.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 19, 2024 0:12:52 GMT 1
That's a very interesting read and suggests to me that the commercial side of the club is in very good hands. Dooley appears to be focused, innovative and a good communicator with lots of ideas to improve our club. Dooley looks a very good appointment and it also demonstrates the wisdom of separating the commercial side of the club from the footballing side. Having a designated Director of Football leaves the Chief Operating Officer free to dedicate all his time and energy to his main task. It also leaves the Head Coach to concentrate on the first team squad and all that it entails. Football, like all other businesses, has become enormously competitive both on and off the field. Whatever happened last season should not have done so and showed a failure of individuals and a system to prevent it happening. A very expensive mistake but I believe the new set up is the right way to go. Completely agree. I don't think anyone thinks the setup is wrong, it's the personnel that is the problem. I'm far, far from convinced by Moore in any way, but a DOF is the right way to go. Like others have said, we're apparently looking at young, hungry, perhaps unlucky players to sign, develop and sell on; yet our best signings have been a 30 year old backup left back and a midfielder who's 31, been injured a long time and was nothing to do with Moore. A very, very interesting summer ahead; but I have every confidence in Dooley on the commercial side, along with Duncan!
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Post by Worthingshrew on Mar 19, 2024 7:29:34 GMT 1
I think we’re being prepared for some very bad and worrying financial figures.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 19, 2024 7:37:52 GMT 1
A good read from Dooley, he really does come across well and he certainly seems to be getting things done. Can't help but be impressed, looks a great signing.
Good that we will get an update from Moore in the coming days too, I mean when we we look to the discussion around his position and role we see here on B&A. That should give us an insight and a better understanding of his role and responsibilities.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Mar 19, 2024 7:43:58 GMT 1
Some good stuff there from him, very much reminds me of the early days of Matt Williams & Brian Caldwell where there enthusiasm comes across.
Liam will have been brought in knowing the financial problems and tasked with bringing in extra money whilst cutting costs. Can't be an easy role for him
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Post by pughywasfree on Mar 19, 2024 8:04:54 GMT 1
I think we’re being prepared for some very bad and worrying financial figures. I am dreading jt but I think seeing it in black and white will set a few people straight. Hopefully we can all then get behind the club to get out of this mess.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Mar 19, 2024 8:44:26 GMT 1
I think we’re being prepared for some very bad and worrying financial figures. I am dreading jt but I think seeing it in black and white will set a few people straight. Hopefully we can all then get behind the club to get out of this mess. I admire the sentiment but I suspect it will be the opposite. It will lead to more speculation on what happened last season, what the future holds etc.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 19, 2024 9:56:21 GMT 1
I think we’re being prepared for some very bad and worrying financial figures. I am dreading jt but I think seeing it in black and white will set a few people straight. Hopefully we can all then get behind the club to get out of this mess. I disagree, I think they will add zero context to it so people will be wondering why £xxx,xxx is missing. I guess it's obvious really, but I don't understand why they don't just say it if they have the evidence. I know Roly wants to draw a line under it as to not put off new investment, but he wouldn't half get a few fans onside if he just came out with the truth in a meaningful statement, rather than the usually fluffy five year announcement which always ends up leaving more questions than answers!
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 19, 2024 10:04:08 GMT 1
I am dreading jt but I think seeing it in black and white will set a few people straight. Hopefully we can all then get behind the club to get out of this mess. I disagree, I think they will add zero context to it so people will be wondering why £xxx,xxx is missing. I guess it's obvious really, but I don't understand why they don't just say it if they have the evidence. I know Roly wants to draw a line under it as to not put off new investment, but he wouldn't half get a few fans onside if he just came out with the truth in a meaningful statement, rather than the usually fluffy five year announcement which always ends up leaving more questions than answers! I would imagine with the new openness shown with Liams and Micky regular updates our Financial Director will already be preparing his in depth ‘review’ of last years accounts.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 19, 2024 10:13:56 GMT 1
I disagree, I think they will add zero context to it so people will be wondering why £xxx,xxx is missing. I guess it's obvious really, but I don't understand why they don't just say it if they have the evidence. I know Roly wants to draw a line under it as to not put off new investment, but he wouldn't half get a few fans onside if he just came out with the truth in a meaningful statement, rather than the usually fluffy five year announcement which always ends up leaving more questions than answers! I would imagine with the new openness shown with Liams and Micky regular updates our Financial Director will already be preparing his in depth ‘review’ of last years accounts. It would be very welcome, a lot of sympathy comes from total honesty. It would be nice to see a load of sums, workings outs then a line that just says: "£xxx,xxx is currently unaccounted for since the departure of Caldwell & Cotterill." Won't happen, but would put it to bed 😂
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Post by ssshrew on Mar 19, 2024 11:13:48 GMT 1
I wonder if the problem is that, should there be anything legal in the pipeline, the club have been advised not to say anything that could be twisted to prejudice proceedings.. I obviously don’t know but it may be the case.
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 19, 2024 11:34:26 GMT 1
I wonder if the problem is that, should there be anything legal in the pipeline, the club have been advised not to say anything that could be twisted to prejudice proceedings.. I obviously don’t know but it may be the case. Names won’t be mentioned ‘missing money’ will be overspend. No doubt agreements have been made not to divulge exact details hence the rumours and gossip from both sides. Best just to accept the spending wasn’t in line with the current financial situation in football with many well run clubs suffering, compounded by shall we say lack of control on our usual spending. The accounts will confirm the severity of the financial shortfall. (Loss)
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Post by tarporleyblue on Mar 19, 2024 11:48:20 GMT 1
I think we’re being prepared for some very bad and worrying financial figures. I am dreading jt but I think seeing it in black and white will set a few people straight. Hopefully we can all then get behind the club to get out of this mess. Publishing the accounts will at least go some, if not all the way in drawing a line under what has transpired financially. Personally, I feel that we've reached the point where we need to move on...
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Post by Pilch on Mar 19, 2024 11:51:13 GMT 1
I think we’re being prepared for some very bad and worrying financial figures. I am dreading jt but I think seeing it in black and white will set a few people straight. Hopefully we can all then get behind the club to get out of this mess. mate , trust me , it won't change a thing , some 'fans' only ever moan and rejoice in anything bad , they will already have better excuses lined up for the 'wrong uns' than the kings council could come up with 😃
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 19, 2024 11:56:20 GMT 1
I am dreading jt but I think seeing it in black and white will set a few people straight. Hopefully we can all then get behind the club to get out of this mess. Publishing the accounts will at least go some, if not all the way in drawing a line under what has transpired financially. Personally, I feel that we've reached the point where we need to move on... Ultimately we'll find out the overall losses, and overall cash balance, and that's really all we need to know. We know Caldwell was a wrong'un, we'll just never know EXACTLY to what extent.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Mar 19, 2024 15:08:51 GMT 1
Good update 👍.
Definitely seems like a good hire, but as said above the main reason he's been able to enact some of these things is because his role allows it due to Moore being in place
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Mar 19, 2024 15:22:53 GMT 1
Publishing the accounts will at least go some, if not all the way in drawing a line under what has transpired financially. Personally, I feel that we've reached the point where we need to move on... Ultimately we'll find out the overall losses, and overall cash balance, and that's really all we need to know. We know Caldwell was a wrong'un, we'll just never know EXACTLY to what extent. Taking into account other comments above, ref blame culture, personally I think the problem has been caused by Cotterill. Caldwell wasnt strong enough to deal with SC
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Post by dibblydobbly on Mar 19, 2024 17:37:11 GMT 1
I disagree, I think they will add zero context to it so people will be wondering why £xxx,xxx is missing. I guess it's obvious really, but I don't understand why they don't just say it if they have the evidence. I know Roly wants to draw a line under it as to not put off new investment, but he wouldn't half get a few fans onside if he just came out with the truth in a meaningful statement, rather than the usually fluffy five year announcement which always ends up leaving more questions than answers! I would imagine with the new openness shown with Liams and Micky regular updates our Financial Director will already be preparing his in depth ‘review’ of last years accounts. Ant Thomas will be on the case I have no doubt.
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 19, 2024 18:18:31 GMT 1
I would imagine with the new openness shown with Liams and Micky regular updates our Financial Director will already be preparing his in depth ‘review’ of last years accounts. Ant Thomas will be on the case I have no doubt. Think fans want a bit more inside club thoughts as well as the great interpretation Ant gives us. We’ve been conditioned for bad news, I’m sure the club will make a statement unless we’re now in a great position 🤞
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Post by tarporleyblue on Mar 19, 2024 18:23:15 GMT 1
Ant Thomas will be on the case I have no doubt. Think fans want a bit more inside club thoughts as well as the great interpretation Ant gives us. We’ve been conditioned for bad news, I’m sure the club will make a statement unless we’re now in a great position 🤞 We've had an update from the CEO, one is to follow from the Director of Football so perhaps we will get one from the Finance Director as well, to coincide with the publication of the annual accounts?
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 19, 2024 18:24:41 GMT 1
Think fans want a bit more inside club thoughts as well as the great interpretation Ant gives us. We’ve been conditioned for bad news, I’m sure the club will make a statement unless we’re now in a great position 🤞 We've had an update from the CEO, one is to follow from the Director of Football so perhaps we will get one from the Finance Director as well, to coincide with the publication of the annual accounts? Makes sense.
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 19, 2024 18:26:51 GMT 1
Think fans want a bit more inside club thoughts as well as the great interpretation Ant gives us. We’ve been conditioned for bad news, I’m sure the club will make a statement unless we’re now in a great position 🤞 We've had an update from the CEO, one is to follow from the Director of Football so perhaps we will get one from the Finance Director as well, to coincide with the publication of the annual accounts? I’m sure I saw something from MM this morning regarding the academy integrating with the team but can’t find it now. Maybe an old interview?
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 19, 2024 18:27:43 GMT 1
Think fans want a bit more inside club thoughts as well as the great interpretation Ant gives us. We’ve been conditioned for bad news, I’m sure the club will make a statement unless we’re now in a great position 🤞 We've had an update from the CEO, one is to follow from the Director of Football so perhaps we will get one from the Finance Director as well, to coincide with the publication of the annual accounts? We can hope 🤞 I've always said I'd have more sympathy with the club if they came out and were just open and honest as opposed to treating us as idiots who wouldn't understand or don't deserve to know, but want us to keep parting with season ticket money and not ask questions. If Caldwell looted us royally then either just come out with it, say you're in the middle of legal proceedings or say a line is drawn under it and we've moved on?
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Post by dibblydobbly on Mar 19, 2024 18:36:00 GMT 1
We've had an update from the CEO, one is to follow from the Director of Football so perhaps we will get one from the Finance Director as well, to coincide with the publication of the annual accounts? Makes sense. Publication of accounts is normally accompanied by a club statement, indeed the accounts have one on them, Last I heard this board was asking for a statement from MM next... Accounts have to be filed by 31/3 so not long to wait. Shareholders get to go to AGM and ask Questions too... I will be going so if you cannot make the AGM, feel free to message me and questions that don't involve too many *** and I can try and put them forward and get them answered
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Post by FloreatShrew on Mar 19, 2024 19:01:45 GMT 1
Publication of accounts is normally accompanied by a club statement, indeed the accounts have one on them, Last I heard this board was asking for a statement from MM next... Accounts have to be filed by 31/3 so not long to wait. Shareholders get to go to AGM and ask Questions too... I will be going so if you cannot make the AGM, feel free to message me and questions that don't involve too many *** and I can try and put them forward and get them answered How do you get to go to the AGM? Do you have to be a shareholder?
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Post by dibblydobbly on Mar 19, 2024 19:06:41 GMT 1
Publication of accounts is normally accompanied by a club statement, indeed the accounts have one on them, Last I heard this board was asking for a statement from MM next... Accounts have to be filed by 31/3 so not long to wait. Shareholders get to go to AGM and ask Questions too... I will be going so if you cannot make the AGM, feel free to message me and questions that don't involve too many *** and I can try and put them forward and get them answered How do you get to go to the AGM? Do you have to be a shareholder? Yes you have to be a shareholder - but email me any Qs if you have no shares
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blueboy48
Midland League Division Two
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Post by blueboy48 on Mar 19, 2024 19:23:45 GMT 1
I would expect the accounts to be drawn up in the normal way with just sufficient information to satisfy HMRC. They will not be interested in 'missing money' increased spending or 'unauthorised expenditure.
I think someone qualified will compare these accounts with the previous years and deduce those area of trading that have incurred increased spending. The club normally lump items together under one heading which doesn't tell you very much. It will be interesting if they choose to provide a breakdown of the headline figures this time around.
They will be aware that fans want to know but against that may be a desire not to stir the pot again. Sometimes answering one question just leads to more
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Post by dibblydobbly on Mar 19, 2024 19:50:23 GMT 1
I would expect the accounts to be drawn up in the normal way with just sufficient information to satisfy HMRC. They will not be interested in 'missing money' increased spending or 'unauthorised expenditure. I think someone qualified will compare these accounts with the previous years and deduce those area of trading that have incurred increased spending. The club normally lump items together under one heading which doesn't tell you very much. It will be interesting if they choose to provide a breakdown of the headline figures this time around. They will be aware that fans want to know but against that may be a desire not to stir the pot again. Sometimes answering one question just leads to more Ant Thomas does that analysis every year...
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blueboy48
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Post by blueboy48 on Mar 19, 2024 20:37:51 GMT 1
I didn't want to assume.
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