sssalop
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Post by sssalop on Sept 29, 2011 11:58:51 GMT 1
With a malicious foul like the Torquay guy on Ruben Hazell, how about the League altering the punishment system so that the guy who commits the foul is banned from playing for as long as it takes the victim to recover?
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Post by Pilch on Sept 29, 2011 12:11:40 GMT 1
With a malicious foul like the Torquay guy on Ruben Hazell, how about the League altering the punishment system so that the guy who commits the foul is banned from playing for as long as it takes the victim to recover? i like the idea but who would ever go near owen hargreaves ? ;D
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Post by bordersalopian on Sept 29, 2011 12:29:14 GMT 1
With a malicious foul like the Torquay guy on Ruben Hazell, how about the League altering the punishment system so that the guy who commits the foul is banned from playing for as long as it takes the victim to recover? Great idea sssalop, but could & would lead to lengthy court cases imho. Don't think you'd be able to impement it either - as already stated, no-one who go near Hargreaves!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 29, 2011 12:36:04 GMT 1
Sounds good, but what happens should a youngster finish an older players career? Would he be banned for life Unfortuntely there have always been thugs in football (Steve Walsh, Chris Kamara, et al. I guess a Town player or two have committed some pretty thuggish behaviour at some time too). Not saying it is right but it's a difficult one to keep control of without resorting to court cases
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Post by africanshrew on Sept 29, 2011 12:41:46 GMT 1
While I fully agree that it was cowardly and stupid it was the fall that did for Reubs not the kick (not that he would have fallen without the kick obviously). So a season ban for that waste of lard would be over the top, but 1 game is a joke. As action was taken by the Ref I guess he'll face no further punishment. I'd like to see the Football League/FA be able to take discretionary action for reckless behavior where there is clearly no attempt to play the ball or where there appears intent to injure. This should be up to 12 games and decided by ex-pros with the level of injury a factor in the punishment. Having made all that up does anyone know if it already exists?!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 12:48:36 GMT 1
A nice idea but really not practical
As we have seen you can have a fairly innocent tackle result in a long term injury, whilst a bad two footed lunge results in nothing more than a player being down for a few minutes. Lets not forget that Gornells challenge against Hereford was really bad but as luck would have it, it caused no serious damage.
This obviously comes about from the Howe/Hazell episode but is it just me that the incident itself looked fairly innocuous? Ive only seen it once on tv and very quickly but it seemed to be more of a petulant kick, rather than anything really malicious? Obviously its caused a lot of damage but is that the way he fell/turned?
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Post by ipswichshrews on Sept 29, 2011 12:54:47 GMT 1
With a malicious foul like the Torquay guy on Ruben Hazell, how about the League altering the punishment system so that the guy who commits the foul is banned from playing for as long as it takes the victim to recover? i like the idea but who would ever go near owen hargreaves ? ;D or Kieran dyer!
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Post by africanshrew on Sept 29, 2011 13:00:26 GMT 1
A nice idea but really not practical As we have seen you can have a fairly innocent tackle result in a long term injury, whilst a bad two footed lunge results in nothing more than a player being down for a few minutes. Lets not forget that Gornells challenge against Hereford was really bad but as luck would have it, it caused no serious damage. This obviously comes about from the Howe/Hazell episode but is it just me that the incident itself looked fairly innocuous? Ive only seen it once on tv and very quickly but it seemed to be more of a petulant kick, rather than anything really malicious? Obviously its caused a lot of damage but is that the way he fell/turned? I agree that in this case there seems not to have been any intent to cause the level of injury that resulted otherwise Howe would be a trained assasin not a footballer! I think what has annoyed fans and Hazell is the fact that it didn't need to happen, but for someone's ill temper. I see your point about how workable my idea would be, but in Rugby they give out hefty bans on a case by case basis so why not in footie? Such a decision would take into account the lack of intent to injure countered by the fact that there was no attempt to stay within the laws of the game and the level of injury, so I'd say a 5/6 match ban wouldn't be unreasonable.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 29, 2011 13:03:56 GMT 1
While I fully agree that it was cowardly and stupid it was the fall that did for Reubs not the kick (not that he would have fallen without the kick obviously). So a season ban for that waste of lard would be over the top, but 1 game is a joke. As action was taken by the Ref I guess he'll face no further punishment. I'd like to see the football League/FA be able to take discretionary action for reckless behavior where there is clearly no attempt to play the ball or where there appears intent to injure. This should be up to 12 games and decided by ex-pros with the level of injury a factor in the punishment. Having made all that up does anyone know if it already exists?! Excellent idea. It would help to rebalance the disproportionate "punishments" of the victim and the perpetrator. I don't think it would need to be called on too often - its existence would discourage the likes of Rene Howe from taking a cheap shot.
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sssalop
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Post by sssalop on Sept 29, 2011 13:19:08 GMT 1
While I fully agree that it was cowardly and stupid it was the fall that did for Reubs not the kick (not that he would have fallen without the kick obviously). So a season ban for that waste of lard would be over the top, but 1 game is a joke. As action was taken by the Ref I guess he'll face no further punishment. I'd like to see the football League/FA be able to take discretionary action for reckless behavior where there is clearly no attempt to play the ball or where there appears intent to injure. This should be up to 12 games and decided by ex-pros with the level of injury a factor in the punishment. Having made all that up does anyone know if it already exists?! Excellent idea. It would help to rebalance the disproportionate "punishments" of the victim and the perpetrator. I don't think it would need to be called on too often - its existence would discourage the likes of Rene Howe from taking a cheap shot. Yes, this seems like a very workable idea, and with the effect of discouraging malicious fouls. Don't suppose we'll ever see it happen though!
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Post by starlight on Sept 29, 2011 18:26:43 GMT 1
Very sad news about Hazells injury. Howe shouldn't have done it. We've seen players kick out with frustration before, this was so unfortunate it resulted with this injury. Lets hope Hazell makes a good recovery.
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tufc
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Post by tufc on Sept 29, 2011 18:56:43 GMT 1
Totaly un-workable idea, what happens when one player goes in for a very strong tackle with malice gets the ball and then goes through the player injuring the player for 6 months. The player who commits the foul then gets banned for 6 months, he is going plea he got the ball first, and probaly would win the argument.
How do seperate what challenge was with malice and what challenge was not, you might aswell make football a non-contact sport.
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Post by africanshrew on Sept 29, 2011 21:18:59 GMT 1
Totaly un-workable idea, what happens when one player goes in for a very strong tackle with malice gets the ball and then goes through the player injuring the player for 6 months. The player who commits the foul then gets banned for 6 months, he is going plea he got the ball first, and probaly would win the argument. How do seperate what challenge was with malice and what challenge was not, you might aswell make football a non-contact sport. I'm the last person to want to see the game go soft, in fact one the highlights of our game with Arsenal was the quality and hardness of our tackling. But the point is it wasn't the hard, manly tackle by Howe, it was a silly, petty and needless kick. If Torquay knew how to tackle then maybe that second goal wouldn't have gone in. Even your own manager called his team a bunch of wimps - maybe you'd do better if it was non-contact!
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